Firearms and Shooting

As im not allowed a gun, i'd have to say i'll take 1 911 and dial it

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cKc,
That's horrible. I am afraid I couldn't live like that. I feel and armed man is a free man. As they say, when seconds count, the police are minutes away. Can you at least have a bow and arrow/crossbow or machete?

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Under british law, anything carried or used with the intent to self defense is already a criminal act.

Eg.. a man breaks in my home, i happen to have a chair and i smash it on his head (self defense) as long as i can proove he was attacking me.. we have a like with like force law..

Eg.. I buy a baseball bat and put it next to my bed for self defense, and some one breaks in and i beat them up with the bat.. if its discovered the bat was bought as a self defense tool, i've broken the law and may be prosecuted..

Britsh law does not allow for self-defense with intent, only defense by accident.
Guns in NZ if you have a license, must by law be locked in a gun safe seperate to the bullets and inaccessible in an emergency.. they can never be used in self defense.. you will go to jail..

in Manila.. no Foreign citizen may own, or carry or use a firearm for any reason. Jail then deportation

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jasonstone20
What 1911 would you carry and depend your life on?

I just don't see carrying a 1911 over a Glock or CZ or Sig or HK etc. I don't like the single action set up for carry.

Plenty of quality 1911s made though. If I had to carry one I'd probably go for something fancy, like a Dan Wesson, in the smallest size I could get a full grip on.


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I would agree with Chum that I can’t ever see myself carrying one. They’re just too big and heavy for me, and I’ve got something in the G27 that’s better in reliability, has a few more rounds on board, plenty accurate (I can easily make effective hits out to 25 yards with every round in the magazine) and is also significantly smaller and lighter.

That being said, I don’t believe I had a single malfunction of any kind after just under 1,000 rounds with my Springfield Range Officer. The gun was reliable, had plenty of power, and easily the best trigger I’ve ever had in a handgun (it’s actually better than most rifle triggers I’ve experienced). I would carry that Range Officer without any hesitation or worries, it’ll certainly do the job, and I did keep it on home defense duty for quite a while as well.

I would also agree with Chum that if I was to ever get another one, I’d probably get something like a Dan Wesson, something that’s on the upper scale of production fit-and-finish.

That is one thing I don't concern myself about is weight. I carried two 5906's, which weigh as much as a steel framed, full size 1911 (38oz), concealed carry for about 15 years, every day, sometimes along with my Kel-Tel P11 in my front pocket, along with wearing soft-body armor.

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Jason, if you are thinking of getting a 1911 my suggestion would be to rent and shoot one back to back with a G21.


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Chum,
That is a good idea. I just never liked the Glock grip angle or the Glock trigger. Not that I am that picky, I rather have a gun that functions than one that has a good grip angle and good trigger but has a tendency to have malfunctions.

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That is one thing I don't concern myself about is weight. I carried two 5906's, which weigh as much as a steel framed, full size 1911 (38oz), concealed carry for about 15 years, every day, sometimes along with my Kel-Tel P11 in my front pocket, along with wearing soft-body armor.

Where was this, so I know never to go there?

Chris,
Portland, OR.

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Chum,
That is a good idea. I just never liked the Glock grip angle or the Glock trigger. Not that I am that picky, I rather have a gun that functions than one that has a good grip angle and good trigger but has a tendency to have malfunctions.

I was the same way, originally, when it came to the Glock trigger and handle angle. Now I prefer the Glock handle angle to others, and I've come to love the trigger. I like the trigger so much that I have to resist the urge to argue with people on replacing the Glock trigger with an aftermarket trigger.

It is common to see people on FB gun groups, who are buying their first Glock, to ask what aftermarket trigger they should get... when they have never even shot a Glock. Somehow it has become a thing to believe Glock triggers suck, or more commonly that Glock triggers are just kinda meh.

Glock triggers break clean and reset clean. They are a little spongy to the wall, and I think that is where the complaints come from. I don't care if the creep is spongy, as long as it doesn't feel gritty. The trigger on my 43X is excellent imo.

Anyway, I've always liked the Glocks for their simplicity, but now I'm 100% sold on them. It just took me awhile to get there.


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Chum,
Yeah, I shoot Glocks well, and I like the fact that they go bang more often then not. You described the Glock trigger perfectly, btw.

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It is common to see people on FB gun groups, who are buying their first Glock, to ask what aftermarket trigger they should get... when they have never even shot a Glock. Somehow it has become a thing to believe Glock triggers suck, or more commonly that Glock triggers are just kinda meh.

Yeah, the first one I bought was that G23, and I went all-out on the aftermarket parts. And what I found was that it really didn’t make any measurable difference in it’s effectiveness.

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Anyway, I've always liked the Glocks for their simplicity, but now I'm 100% sold on them. It just took me awhile to get there.

Same for me. I noted in the video I made about the G27 that I was almost disappointed to have tried so many different and unique guns, hoping to find something a bit out of the ordinary that worked well for me, but after all that time and money I circled back and ended up with a 3rd generation Glock. It was a bit boring.

Nothing could beat it in overall effectiveness. I had guns that beat it handily in concealability (Kahr PM40), guns that were more accurate on paper (H&K USP Compact, 1911, Girsan Regard MC), gun’s that have more ammo on board, and guns with more power (the .45’s, the .357’s).

But after all that, the G27 has an almost unbeatable combination of size, weight, power, and capacity. I can shoot it very well, the small size doesn’t detract much from the accuracy. It’s easy to carry. The capacity of 9+1 is more than sufficient for any reasonable civilian purpose. I can do a complete field strip and cleaning even if I’m blackout drunk because it’s a ridiculously simple mechanism. Holsters and magazines are everywhere. And I happen to think they look quite nice as well, much like a Spyderco, in the sense that they’re obviously a very clean and utility-first design.

Can buy ammo online in cali again.

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Old Spice
Can buy ammo online in cali again.

Heard about that. It appears there are still a few decent judges there after all.

Yeah but ammo prices are over the top now its really lame. Especially since some 9th district douche will put a hold on it . So we will have a week to buy, and then wait 1, 2, 3, years before its finalized in the higher courts.

Hooray for bureaucracy, authoritarians, and busybody soccer moms! Woo!

And it's over. 9th circus strikes again.

They need to get rid of the judges in the 9th DC and put some sane people in there.

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Its a stay and was expected, however it means it has a chance to move all the way up to SCOTUS. The AWB is next, and if you have been following all these CA court case you would know that oral arguments for the mag bans court hearing went very well for gun owners. This is progress in the right direction that a CA gun owner isn't use too. It also beneficial that the state pushes all way to SCOTUS so losing there stops other states from following along the path of CA, NY, and that adjacent toxic waste pit, um NJ I think they call it. RBG dies and gun control as a movement will be gone in two decades.

Old Spice,
That sounds awesome.

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Yep, these cases are promising. I remember the mag bran arguements and the week the law was overturned before they stay was enacted.

Is ammo even available there in CA? Is hard to come by here.

Available, but obviously legally purchasing it is burdened in an unconstitutional manner. Which is the intent of law, discourage law abiding Americans from engaging in their rights.

Got my reloading press, powder, bullets, primers, and dies. Will hopefully get to try them out this weekend. I also went with a Lyman reloading manual.

I've given up on thinking California and NY will ever change and be vaguely American again. They'll keep coming up with new shystery ways to subvert the Constitution.

I think it's time for a red and blue split. The blue team can have CA, NY, DC and a smattering of other blue states that have no hope of ever becoming red, or reddish. They can elect their own President, Congress, etc. Let's have an amicable split.


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Chum,
There basically is an unofficial one now, basically all the big cities vs the rural areas. I like the rural areas better now, the people have manners, don't care if you are different, are respectful and love Freedom and Liberty. I can't say that about my fellow city dwellers.

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Chum,
There basically is an unofficial one now, basically all the big cities vs the rural areas. I like the rural areas better now, the people have manners, don't care if you are different, are respectful and love Freedom and Liberty. I can't say that about my fellow city dwellers.

The problem is one group is constantly trying enforce new, unconstitutional, laws upon the other group. That's why I see the need for a split.


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Got my reloading press, powder, bullets, primers, and dies. Will hopefully get to try them out this weekend. I also went with a Lyman reloading manual.

Hey sweet! What kind did of press and dies did you get? I still haven’t touched mine, they’re all wrapped and packed in a box.

Well, presses are hard to come by locally, and I wanted a little trip. I drove about an hour north to get a Lee 50th Anniversary kit with a single stage press and some small pistol primers. Primers are also spotty on availability. Today I found a set of Lee dies, some appropriate pistol powder for 9mm, and some 115 grain FMJ projectiles. The 9mm is the simplest of the ones I have to try, so I figure I'll start there. I have about 250 empty cases and 1 lb of powder will make over 1000 rounds if my math is right.

The place I got the bullets has a 600 round box, and if my endeavors are successful, I may go back and pick that up. The only thing I have left to get is a case tumbler. I think my public local range opened back up, and I can get brass there. I'll hand clean these and see how it goes. I may hook up a nylon brush on a dremel with some buffing compound and see how that does cleaning.

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Chum
I've given up on thinking California and NY will ever change and be vaguely American again. They'll keep coming up with new shystery ways to subvert the Constitution.

I think it's time for a red and blue split. The blue team can have CA, NY, DC and a smattering of other blue states that have no hope of ever becoming red, or reddish. They can elect their own President, Congress, etc. Let's have an amicable split.

By amicable you mean nuking right?