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80CrV2/L2/L6

80CrV2/L2/L6
May 12, 2013 12:27PM
Hi All,
So, I am working on a move to a different steel since I will soon be making a larger quantity of knives (towards the end of this year) and I needed a European based steel that was very tough and held a decent edge and also where suppliers were quality producers.

I found a supplier of 80CrV2 (DIN) steel in Germany. The site below lists so-called equivalent standards and also data about the steel.

[www.metalravne.com]

According to this, it has an equivalent standard of L2, but I read elsewhere that it is equivalent to L6. In any case, I was using 5160 steel previously. I was satisfied with the toughness and I would like something as tough that won't be too brittle in an Eastern European winter, but still maintain it's edge relatively well. Again, I am starting down making some swords and the supplier recommended this steel for this.

So how should I proceed with the HT? Does anyone have any experience with this steel or any input?

Thanks
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 12, 2013 01:04PM
Well it sort of look like L6.
Basically it's 0.8 C steel with some alloying while L6 is a 0.7 steel with some alloying.

If you're still searching you might want to consider C75, it's quite common with Euro makers and it has similar properties.
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 12, 2013 01:18PM
I have looked into that. The issue is, I can get 80CrV2 in bulk sheets and just have them waterjet cut. Whereas, I could only find flat stock bars (not all bars met my size requirements). So that is why I moved away from that.
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 12, 2013 02:22PM
That is a lot of carbon and the only reason it is there is for cementite, I don't see that as having any benefit in swords or similar blades as it is very unlikely they are going to blunt by slow wear. Have you tried something similar to 4340 or any mid carbon steel?
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 12, 2013 02:40PM
HI Cliff,
I don't have too many options as most of the places don't have what I need in terms of size, or they require a minimum amount WAY above, like in the 5,000 eur range.

My carbon steel options are theis 80CrV2, 54SiCr6 (link provided below) this has to be specially ordered because of sizes, O2, Bohler K110 (d2). The rest of the steels are stainless.

The sizes I am looking for aer thicknesses 6 - 7mm, length of 1000 mm, minimum width of 100 mm. If you guys could cuggest a place, it would be great!
JBN
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 12, 2013 02:48PM
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europeanoutdoorsman
HI Cliff,
I don't have too many options as most of the places don't have what I need in terms of size, or they require a minimum amount WAY above, like in the 5,000 eur range.

My carbon steel options are theis 80CrV2, 54SiCr6 (link provided below) this has to be specially ordered because of sizes, O2, Bohler K110 (d2). The rest of the steels are stainless.

The sizes I am looking for aer thicknesses 6 - 7mm, length of 1000 mm, minimum width of 100 mm. If you guys could cuggest a place, it would be great!

Which country are you?
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 12, 2013 03:13PM
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JBN
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europeanoutdoorsman
HI Cliff,
I don't have too many options as most of the places don't have what I need in terms of size, or they require a minimum amount WAY above, like in the 5,000 eur range.

My carbon steel options are theis 80CrV2, 54SiCr6 (link provided below) this has to be specially ordered because of sizes, O2, Bohler K110 (d2). The rest of the steels are stainless.

The sizes I am looking for aer thicknesses 6 - 7mm, length of 1000 mm, minimum width of 100 mm. If you guys could cuggest a place, it would be great!

Which country are you?

Slovakia. But, I'd be willing to order from some coutries, definately not the UK because of the exchange rate and shipping.
JBN
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 12, 2013 03:26PM
Ok,

If you are sure about the steel you want and the sizes i can check availability in Germany and The Netherlands.

I know nothing about swords, so re-check the steel if you do not mind.
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 12, 2013 09:16PM
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JBN
Ok,

If you are sure about the steel you want and the sizes i can check availability in Germany and The Netherlands.

I know nothing about swords, so re-check the steel if you do not mind.

This steel is actually from ThyssenKrupp. They said they use it for large saw blades of various types.
JBN
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 13, 2013 02:16AM
What about contacting Thyssen Krupp to inform which company has the sizes you need, close to your area?
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 14, 2013 07:04PM
Brisa in Finland stocks about a dozen steels:

[www.brisa.fi]

..I'd have thought the 4381 "springsteel" would be an excellent choice for toughness.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2013 07:09PM by thiswayup.
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 18, 2013 09:48AM
@JBN,
I did that and I am awaiting a response from thyssenkrupp.

@thiswayup
The problem with ordering from Brisa (I have checked them out a lot!), is that the exact steel type of this spring steel is not known. I have seen steel companies in Europe classify everything from 6150, 9290, 1095, 1085/4/0, 1070 and similar steels as spring steels.

When heat treating, a steel like 1050 can react differently, in some cases very differently from 1095 or even 1080. So it is a very broad distinction. Not only that, the width of the bar stock is about half of what I need.
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 18, 2013 02:24PM
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europeanoutdoorsman
@JBN,
I did that and I am awaiting a response from thyssenkrupp.

@thiswayup
The problem with ordering from Brisa (I have checked them out a lot!), is that the exact steel type of this spring steel is not known. I have seen steel companies in Europe classify everything from 6150, 9290, 1095, 1085/4/0, 1070 and similar steels as spring steels.

If you click through, they say it is "C- 0.6 Si-1.60 Mn -1,0 Cr - 0.2". Is that any help?
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 19, 2013 01:55AM
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thiswayup
If you click through, they say it is "C- 0.6 Si-1.60 Mn -1,0 Cr - 0.2". Is that any help?
Yeah it's basically 1060.
You could argue the small amount of alloying is mostly unconsequential.
You could also look for 55Si7 (basically 1055 with a pitch of silicon), I don't know of any supplier but it's one of the most common spring steels in euro for car leaf springs.
Since you're in Europe I don't think it's a good idea to look only for american (AISI, ASTM...) grades: you'll waste a lot of energy hunting them down, will be limited to a few providers... while you could probably something slightly different but just as serviceable in the local offering.
Re: 80CrV2/L2/L6
May 19, 2013 07:58AM
I will check out that steel.

How I search for steels is by using equivalent standards. I don't search for American standards in Europe since the steel standards are different
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