Fehrman Extreme Judgment December 23, 2012 08:21AM |
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Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 05, 2013 07:29AM |
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Using Roselli axe as the baton, the knife was hit hard enough to cause the coating to shatter off the flats from the vibration. There was no spine mushrooming, however the edge took damage on the harder knots, 0.1-0.2 of a millimeter deep, under magnification they were clearly fractures
The initial edge was rough which weakened it in regards to impacts and it was resharpened to a high polish. More wood was split for about an hour and the edge still chipped but smaller, no longer visible by eye but felt by thumbnail. On one six inch round with heavy ring knots the edge rippled. The blade took a bend about 1/2" in length and up to 0.05" thick on the primary grind, twice the edge height.
As a check on edge durability it was also lightly chopped into a concrete block. Just wrist pops which induced cuts a fraction of a centimeter into the block, the edge fractured readily.
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The handle was a step up from the similar grip on the Steel Eagle, the same basic design with a couple of much needed improvements. Removed are the hand mangler serrations along the top and the index finger groove is more rounded and comfortable. However it is a still flat along the top and bottom. The index finger cutout on the blade however is decently well rounded, one of the better jobs seen in that regard.
Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 05, 2013 09:27AM |
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kuro1
Also it seems? that you don't give the same treatment at some knives of the same steel been send to you recently.
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Actually it's look like that you change your point of view and nearly embrace this steel as good steel?
Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 05, 2013 12:34PM |
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Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 05, 2013 01:01PM |
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bubo
It's quite funny. 3V has often been hyped as some Infi-killer or at least Infi-competitor, and yet it seems quite hard to find any head-on review. There are many comparisons against obviously brittle knives (D2, S30V...) but not so often with tougher competitors. For example I'm not sure if Noss ever tested a 3V knife.
I know at least one performance user who was fanatical about Busse until he got the Fehrmann (but I suspect he prefered the Fehrmann over the fact it's thinner and a tad harder).
Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 05, 2013 01:51PM |
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bubo
It's quite funny. 3V has often been hyped as some Infi-killer or at least Infi-competitor, and yet it seems quite hard to find any head-on review.
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Chum
I actually probably would use something like that as a dedicated batoning blade, but it was overly thick for cutting tasks.
Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 05, 2013 02:04PM |
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CliffStamp
Mainly the edge, the spine would have little influence, so all you would need to do is add a transition bevel.
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That was actually not (solely) aimed at your review. Just noting that for some reason, people are running around the bush but those tests rarely happen or at least have little publicity.Quote
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I had intended to do a more direct comparison on heavy work, the problem was that it could not even do wood work without damage and the maker didn't support the knife. It was an unfortunate thing as the steel is inherently better than that knife performed.
Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 05, 2013 03:20PM |
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CliffStamp
In regards to what specifically?
Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 05, 2013 03:31PM |
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In regards to what specifically?
Don't let say names please, we don't want another conspiracy theory take place.
In 2012, you come in possession of varus knives made of the same steel, right?
Do you expect the same performance as Extreme Judgment " steel wise" or there's the probability that Extreme Judgment tested by you was a Lemon?
I'm asking all those questions because I may buy my first production knife made of "CPM-3V".
Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 05, 2013 03:54PM |
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Chum
The spine would have little influence on batoning? I'm not sure I understand.
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I'm not sure adding a transition bevel to something like that would be an easy or fun task.
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bubo
Just noting that for some reason, people are running around the bush but those tests rarely happen or at least have little publicity.
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kuro1
Don't let say names please, we don't want another conspiracy theory take place.
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In 2012, you come in possession of varus knives made of the same steel, right?
Do you expect the same performance as Extreme Judgment " steel wise" or there's the probability that Extreme Judgment tested by you was a Lemon?
Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 06, 2013 05:29AM |
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Chum
You're going to buy the CS Warcraft blade aren't you Kuro?
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CliffStamp
This isn't Bladeforums.
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Gav's and Dan's blade doesn't show the same fragility that Ferhmans did, they easily chop/cut wood without the same level of damage, and the edges are actually far thinner and more acute.
I don't know if all of Ferhmans knives are like that or just that one, it was one of the questions I asked him that he would not respond to. He would not in fact respond at all.
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Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 08, 2013 06:32PM |
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number41
I have a extreme judgment and are waiting for a second one! I use my knives extremely hard (abuse them) and so far the performance is pretty good.
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number41
I have used many different knives and Fehrman is in a class of its own!
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number41
The edge on my knife is a lot thicker thow!!
Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 10, 2013 03:04AM |
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Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 11, 2013 06:23AM |
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kuro1
let's not jump to conclusion to fast, back 2004/5 CPM-3V as steel was pretty much sperimental....HT protocol included.
Even true I have no doubt that Cliff did some justice back then but, who knows today, if the same knife could be tested today, we can hand up with different result.
Somebody here can point out some bad reports of this knife chips etc....LINKS?
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Get another one and give it similar treatment, I'm certain that you will be happy! on
Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 11, 2013 10:39PM |
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Yes, I read your original review a long time ago, and understand what you mean by not getting a response from the maker! I myself had a problem with a ZT and they sent me a new ZT 301 without even seeing the faulty blade! I'm still gonna do a review because I know how good the Fehrman is!Quote
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Get another one and give it similar treatment, I'm certain that you will be happy! on
Anton, have you read the original review, the work I did, the reaction that Ferhman had and his response as a maker to questions from a user where the knife performed very poorly? It isn't something that is conductive to me wanting to buy another one when there are lots of makers that fully support their work. If I was reading that work done by another, the most important part to me was not that the knife failed under rather trivial use but that the maker did not support that the knife was actually capable of such use.
Re: Fehrman Extreme Judgment January 11, 2013 10:53PM |
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Old Spice
number41, please provide evidence of the knives actually being used from something. Please define what hard use is, and what you did with your knife. Stop endorsing Fehrman until you can provide some evidence. The majority of reviewers aren't actually performing any testing or proof of serious use. Cliff's review of the Fehrman is a review were the user isn't satisfied with the knife.
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